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By: syknyt. on 25 Feb 10, 11:23:40
I like the video and love the concept behind it. But, I have trouble making conclusions from the tests. They allowed the the wood to bow thereby allowing the the strength of the individual pieces of wood to play a significant part of the results. Each piece of wood varies in strength according to grain and bowing exaggerates the results. Although it may be somewhat practical for woodworkers, the test seemed a little more theatrical than scientific. But, I'm not a an expert on scientific method
By: TinkTheHustler. on 29 Jan 10, 00:27:54
Did he say 2 1/2 tons of force?! Good GRIEF! Cool video. Thanks for posting this.
By: Ace250TreasureFinder. on 16 Jan 10, 17:41:51
For clarity on my earlier post: the plywood joint "tested" in the video is submitted to a torsion, and not to a shear, load. This is neither to suggest that torsion is the proper test method, nor that shear testing would have been more valuable. Meaningful testing would have also assured equal joint areas (the number of combinations of that, alone, would have made a huge library of material), joint lengths, etc. Again: this video DOES NOT represent the scientific method properly applied.
By: Ace250TreasureFinder. on 16 Jan 10, 17:35:42
Everyone should realize this "scientific" testing is bull: Plywood dado joint strength isn't measured in shear, but in torsion. A shear test would have had the joint parallel to the direction in which force was applied. Even if the outer edge of the plywood had been supported, the test would have been of plywood's flexural modulus and structural integrity instead of the joint per se. Add to that the remaining methodological flaws, and all you've got is a meaningless video of failures.
By: collolup1. on 26 Nov 09, 07:28:07
yeha, and wouldnt the type of timber alos affect the result, like what if the timber isnt seasoned properly and the moisture content allows it to be bent easier
By: giliam74. on 23 Nov 09, 19:14:55
Interesting! I am wondering how joints and glue react to sudden impact. I mean, nobody sits down in a chair this slow. Most stress-situations in real life are impact-like. It requires as whole different testing set-up, but it would be interesting, too.
By: 2528997. on 22 Nov 09, 19:56:48
What about a Lap Joint?
By: polarbear60. on 08 Nov 09, 23:22:27
I agree with you, this was very neat.
By: scampthedogg. on 01 Apr 09, 20:18:44
this was intrigueing said max
By: admec1. on 06 Mar 09, 18:02:18
Very nice test results. It,s nice to see something different about woodworking every now and again. Thank you for the posting.
By: HPAREUSELESS. on 02 Mar 09, 23:15:02
LOL he said butt stress:)
By: WolYou. on 19 Feb 09, 21:45:53
No wonder that the wood fails before the dowls. The wood has been cut regardless of the direction of the fibers. Thats the pricipal problem. The Vikings did it in a better way. They didn't use a saw to cut wood :) They used axes to split it. Wood always splits along the weakest line.
By: twistedK0. on 16 Feb 09, 05:29:19
i wanted 2 see some dope :(
By: bobgaggle. on 26 Jan 09, 09:51:32
what would be shear? pressing a downward force directly at the joint, rather that 6 or 8 inches away like in the movie?
By: geshtunga. on 22 Jan 09, 17:37:09
Dovetails are stronger due to the inherent mechanical strength of the dovetail. By this method of joinery, dovetailing will last as long as the wood that its made of whereas a glued up biscuit joint will be subject to wood movement slowly breaking down the joint and ultimately the joint will fail.
By: Jono5052. on 09 Jan 09, 12:08:33
I'm building a kind of trunk. What would be stronger just using screws with a butt joint or a box joint? anyone got any ideas????
By: pumkinvine. on 07 Jan 09, 17:15:05
interesting
By: bstephenson4. on 25 Oct 08, 14:36:03
the shear test is not in shear
By: rhblakeman. on 05 Oct 08, 01:14:45
It sure is but hide glue used for centuries is just as good if used correctly as evidenced by 200 yr old furniture, much of it never used glue for anything other than a secondary attachment.
By: rhblakeman. on 05 Oct 08, 01:13:09
Wow, only stress tests I've ever done with wood is with a unit in use under normal wear and tear - in the AF we used to do stress and crack testing on equipment but that was to insure a fighter didnt fall on someone's house. Boeing's wing test recently on a carbon fiber wing is just as awesome to watch especially at the failure point - BOOM.
By: snubbespelaren. on 08 Aug 08, 22:16:47
It's actually glue made for attaching gorillas to other gorillas. But they should stop doing it anyway.
By: crickey7301. on 11 Jul 08, 00:01:28
Are biscuit joints stronger than dovetails? Would like some expert advice on this, thanks.
By: oxyabusekillsdotcom. on 30 Jun 08, 06:33:23
goog video. My son and I have quite a few projects we're going to work on in the future, this helps. thanks for sharing the information...
By: pippaknuckle. on 29 Apr 08, 10:49:24
people should stop making glue from Gorillas.
By: Fidlist. on 29 Apr 08, 09:52:38
Yeah.. Kind of my thoughts too. I got some heavy, heavy books, but I supprot my shelves at both ends. Yeeehahhhh!